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WIDTH="60"><div> From:</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER WIDTH="560"><div> <U>Michael Child</U></div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="60"><div> To:</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER WIDTH="560"><div> <U>John.Elvidge@thanet.gov.uk</U></div> </tD> </tR> </TABLE></div> <bR> <bR> <div> Dear Mr Elvidge</div> <div> It is my email of the 17/02/2004 that I am waiting for a reply to copy below.</div> <div> Please note I am publishing all the correspondence relating to this matter at <FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#0000FF" FACE="Arial" ><U>http://www.thanetonline.com/Pleasurama/</U></FONT> to avoid any further confusion.</div> <div> Kind regards Michael child</div> <bR> <div> >>> <MichaelChild@aol.com> 02/17/04 04:59pm >>></div> <div> Dear Mr Elvidge</div> <bR> <div> Thank you for returning my phone call. As you appreciate I am either looking </div> <div> after two year old twins or running the shop when I answer the phone so my </div> <div> concentration is limited.</div> <bR> <div> I think that although we both have different ideas on an appropriate </div> <div> development we both are concerned that the end result is most beneficial to the town </div> <div> and will pursue that objective from any given point in time.</div> <bR> <div> I have however given some thought to the matter of the height of the building </div> <div> and would like to clarify the situation with you. The following is my </div> <div> understanding of the height issue. Any comments you have would be helpful.</div> <bR> <div> There must be some point where the height is deemed by you to be </div> <div> unacceptable. </div> <bR> <div> There must also be a point where effect on the views is deemed by you to be </div> <div> unacceptable.</div> <bR> <div> The way the height and size of the building impacts on the area does not seem </div> <div> to have been accurately measured by anyone. </div> <bR> <div> The reasons for this are that large detached concrete buildings do not </div> <div> usually have a public footpath in a conservation area next to their roof level so </div> <div> height variations of a meter or so are not normally an issue.</div> <bR> <div> My own calculations based on the site survey and plans submitted by the </div> <div> developer make the maximum height of the building 3.4 meters above the footpath </div> <div> surface on the cliff top. It is difficult to completely accurate due to the </div> <div> radical changes that will have to be made at ground level, because of the size of </div> <div> the building changing the road and promenade layout so this may be inaccurate </div> <div> by a meter or so in either direction.</div> <bR> <div> My calculations relating to the lines of site suggest that it will no longer </div> <div> be possible to see the shoreline when looking from the cliff top over the </div> <div> lowest part of the development or the cliff top from the shoreline at any point </div> <div> behind the building. </div> <bR> <div> You reckon about three meters above the cliff top based on holding a scale </div> <div> ruler next to the side elevation.</div> <bR> <div> No calculations appear to have been attempted by you with relation to the </div> <div> lines of site. </div> <bR> <div> The planning and design statement for the development, on page 9 says the </div> <div> following.</div> <div> "The views of Wellington Crescent at the top of the cliff will be retained </div> <div> when viewed from the harbour and the shore line, with the proposed scheme set </div> <div> below the cliff top.</div> <div> When viewed from ground level along Wellington Crescent the buildings will </div> <div> not be visible as they are below the cliff face. When viewed from the cliff </div> <div> edge, the buildings will provide an extension to the gardens with the roof </div> <div> terraces. It will also enhance the existing views replacing the unsightly vacant </div> <div> land. The roof design will provide architectural interest whilst allowing views of </div> <div> the sea to remain."</div> <bR> <div> This document clearly describes the height inaccurately but is part of the </div> <div> plans that all the calculations relating to the height are based on.</div> <bR> <div> I have attached a couple of pictures of the site that I hope will amuse you. </div> <bR> <bR> <div> Kind regards Michael Child</div> <bR> <bR> <bR> <bR> <bR> <bR> <div> In a message dated 19/04/2004 09:29:24 GMT Daylight Time, John.Elvidge@thanet.gov.uk writes:</div> <bR> <div> Subj: <B>Re: Pleasurama Site </B></div> <div> Date: 19/04/2004 09:29:24 GMT Daylight Time</div> <div> From: <FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#0000FF" FACE="Arial" ><U>John.Elvidge@thanet.gov.uk</U></FONT></div> <div> To: <FONT SIZE="3" COLOR="#0000FF" FACE="Arial" ><U>MichaelChild@aol.com</U></FONT></div> <div> <I>Sent from the Internet </I></div> <bR> <bR> <bR> <div> Dear Mr. Child,</div> <bR> <div> The reason why it is probably unclear as to the e-mail to which I was replying is that your e-mail of 15th April was addressed to 'planning services.' In view of the fact that everything to do with Pleasurama ends up on my desk it was an e-mail to which I was able to give an immediate response, hence the speedy reply.</div> <bR> <div> With regard to your e-mail of 1st April, I was unable to provide you with an immediate response as I could not ascertain any question you were asking or point that you wished to see addressed. I have read the content once again but remain unable to determine the nature of the reply that you are seeking.</div> <bR> <div> With apologies for being unable to assist further at this stage.</div> <bR> <div> Yours sincerely</div> <bR> <div> John Elvidge</div> <div> Principal Planner</div> <bR> <div> >>><MichaelChild@aol.com> 04/18/04 05:04pm >>></div> <div> Dear Mr Elvidge</div> <div> As far as I can see my last email to you was on April 1st and related to your </div> <div> granting permission to fill in Ramsgate harbour and build houses on it. I </div> <div> intended this to be some light relief for you because of the pressure your job </div> <div> evidently puts you under.</div> <div> Since your email of 18/02/2004 saying: I will endeavour to respond in due </div> <div> course to the detailed points that you have raised. However, as you may be aware, </div> <div> the Development Control section continues to suffer from an unprecedented </div> <div> workload which, coupled with staff shortages, is causing undue delays in </div> <div> responses to correspondence</div> <div> I have remained in a state of heightened expectancy and have avoided sending </div> <div> you anything that would increase your unprecedented workload and further delay </div> <div> my long awaited reply. </div> <bR> <div> I can only assume that somewhere in the confusion you are now answering the </div> <div> emails sent to someone else. On the 15th April the only emails I sent were to </div> <div> councillors so failing the unlikely event that you were at some stage elected </div> <div> under a false name it would be helpful to know to which of my emails you are </div> <div> replying.</div> <bR> <div> This is particularly important as I have found that the only way I can get a </div> <div> response from some councillors is to threaten them with an official complaint, </div> <div> unless of course they tell me that an unprecedented workload which, coupled </div> <div> with staff shortages, is causing undue delays in responses to correspondence.</div> <div> Kind regards Michael Child.</div> <bR> <bR> <div> Subj: Pleasurama Site </div> <div> Date: 16/04/2004 09:53:47 GMT Daylight Time </div> <div> From: John.Elvidge@thanet.gov.uk </div> <bR> <bR> <div> Dear Mr. Child,</div> <bR> <div> Thank you for your e-mail dated 15th April regarding the above site.</div> <bR> <div> Firstly, I can confirm that planning permission has not been granted for the </div> <div> concept scheme seen by Members back in 2002.</div> <bR> <div> I would further advise you that the resolution agreed by Members at the </div> <div> recent Full Council meeting requires further discussions to be undertaken with the </div> <div> prospective developers and the matter to be referred back to Full Council, I </div> <div> believe in July. It is important to note, however, that such discussions will </div> <div> be undertaken by Members and officers of the Council, as owner of the site, and </div> <div> not as Local Planning Authority. I regret, therefore, that I can be of no </div> <div> further assistance on this particular point.</div> <bR> <div> Once the matter is reported back to Full Council and a further resolution </div> <div> taken, it will be at that time for the Council, as Local Planning Authority, to </div> <div> determine whether any changes to the development previously agreed can be dealt </div> <div> with by way of amendment to the existing planning consent or whether they </div> <div> will require a fresh planning application. In either case, I can confirm that all </div> <div> individuals, interest groups and consultees who were previously notified or </div> <div> commented upon the last scheme, will automatically be notified again and given </div> <div> the opportunity to inspect the plans and comment thereon.</div> <bR> <div> I trust that this clarifies the planning situation for you.</div> <bR> <div> Yours sincerely</div> <bR> <div> John Elvidge</div> <div> Principal Planner</div> <bR> <bR> <bR> <bR> <bR> <bR> <div> ______________________________________________________________________________</div> <div> This email has been checked for viruses by ArmourPlate,</div> <div> http://www.armourplate.com, the multi-scanner anti-virus facility from Corpex. </div> <bR> <bR> <bR> <bR> <bR> <div> <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLPADDING="1" CELLSPACING="1" WIDTH="627" BORDERCOLORLIGHT="#C0C0C0" BORDERCOLORDARK="#808080" FRAME="VOID" RULES="NONE" ALIGN="BOTTOM" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" > <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 20 WIDTH="254"><div> Subj:</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER WIDTH="366"><div> <B>Pleasurama Site </B></div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="254"><div> Date:</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER><NOBR><div> 18/04/2004 17:04:39 GMT Daylight Time</div> </NOBR></tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="254"><div> From:</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER WIDTH="366"><div> <U>Michael Child</U></div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="254"><div> To:</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=CENTER WIDTH="366"><div> <U>john.elvidge@thanet.gov.uk</U></div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=CENTER COLSPAN=2 BGCOLOR=#C0C0C0 HEIGHT= 38 WIDTH="621"><div> <I>Right-click picture(s) to display picture options</I></div> <bR> </tD> </tR> </TABLE></div> <bR> <bR> <div> Dear Mr Elvidge</div> <div> As far as I can see my last email to you was on April 1st and related to your granting permission to fill in Ramsgate harbour and build houses on it. I intended this to be some light relief for you because of the pressure your job evidently puts you under.</div> <div> Since your email of 18/02/2004 saying: I will endeavour to respond in due course to the detailed points that you have raised. However, as you may be aware, the Development Control section continues to suffer from an unprecedented workload which, coupled with staff shortages, is causing undue delays in responses to correspondence</div> <div> I have remained in a state of hightend expectancy and have avoided sending you anything that would increase your unprecedented workload and further delay my long awaited reply. </div> <bR> <div> I can only assume that somewhere in the confusion you are now answering the emails sent to someone else. On the 15th April the only emails I sent were to councillors so failing the unlikely event that you were at some stage elected under a false name it would be helpful to know to which of my emails you are replying.</div> <bR> <div> This is particularly important as I have found that the only way I can get a response from some councillors is to threaten them with an official complaint, unles of course they tell me that an unprecedented workload which, coupled with staff shortages, is causing undue delays in responses to correspondence.</div> <div> Kind regards Michael Child.</div> <bR> <bR> <div> Subj: Pleasurama Site </div> <div> Date: 16/04/2004 09:53:47 GMT Daylight Time </div> <div> From: John.Elvidge@thanet.gov.uk </div> <bR> <bR> <div> Dear Mr. Child,</div> <bR> <div> Thank you for your e-mail dated 15th April regarding the above site.</div> <bR> <div> Firstly, I can confirm that planning permission has not been granted for the concept scheme seen by Members back in 2002.</div> <bR> <div> I would further advise you that the resolution agreed by Members at the recent Full Council meeting requires further discussions to be undertaken with the prospective developers and the matter to be referred back to Full Council, I believe in July. It is important to note, however, that such discussions will be undertaken by Members and officers of the Council, as owner of the site, and not as Local Planning Authority. I regret, therefore, that I can be of no further assistance on this particular point.</div> <bR> <div> Once the matter is reported back to Full Council and a further resolution taken, it will be at that time for the Council, as Local Planning Authority, to determine whether any changes to the development previously agreed can be dealt with by way of amendment to the existing planning consent or whether they will require a fresh planning application. In either case, I can confirm that all individuals, interest groups and consultees who were previously notified or commented upon the last scheme, will automatically be notified again and given the opportunity to inspect the plans and comment thereon.</div> <bR> <div> I trust that this clarifies the planning situation for you.</div> <bR> <div> Yours sincerely</div> <bR> <div> John Elvidge</div> <div> Principal Planner</div> <bR> <bR> <bR> </td> </tr></table></body>